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		<title>By: Privacy, Pseudonymity, and Copyright &#124; The Noisy Channel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Privacy, Pseudonymity, and Copyright &#124; The Noisy Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lunch conversation during the Transparent Text symposium about transparency in social media (also a hot topic in the Ethics of Blogging [...]</description>
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		<title>By: kellys</title>
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		<dc:creator>kellys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for your tweets and blog posts about #tt09.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for your tweets and blog posts about #tt09.</p>
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		<title>By: Transparent Text Symposium: Day 2 &#124; The Noisy Channel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Transparent Text Symposium: Day 2 &#124; The Noisy Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I believe that unwashed web masses (mom, my wife) for the most part will never explore the raw open data. &lt;/i&gt;...&lt;i&gt;I agree with Dave that, in practice, mass access will be mediated through NGOs.&lt;/i&gt;

So even for something like Many Eyes, that would translate, practically, into Many NGO Eyes, rather than Many Unwashed Eyes?

I&#039;m not saying that&#039;s bad. In fact, I think this sort of govt scenario provides the opportunity to develop expert tools for the expert searcher...a great opportunity for HCIR research and development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I believe that unwashed web masses (mom, my wife) for the most part will never explore the raw open data. </i>&#8230;<i>I agree with Dave that, in practice, mass access will be mediated through NGOs.</i></p>
<p>So even for something like Many Eyes, that would translate, practically, into Many NGO Eyes, rather than Many Unwashed Eyes?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that&#8217;s bad. In fact, I think this sort of govt scenario provides the opportunity to develop expert tools for the expert searcher&#8230;a great opportunity for HCIR research and development.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad folks are enjoying my relentless tweets--I was tweeting so much yesterday that I was afraid I&#039;d killed Michael Jackson!

Jeremy: their main concern is making data available generally. I don&#039;t think they&#039;ve targeted beyond that. In fact, one of the open questions (which I asked myself) is what metrics will be used to measure success. But I agree with Dave that, in practice, mass access will be mediated through NGOs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad folks are enjoying my relentless tweets&#8211;I was tweeting so much yesterday that I was afraid I&#8217;d killed Michael Jackson!</p>
<p>Jeremy: their main concern is making data available generally. I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ve targeted beyond that. In fact, one of the open questions (which I asked myself) is what metrics will be used to measure success. But I agree with Dave that, in practice, mass access will be mediated through NGOs.</p>
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		<title>By: dave fauth</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave fauth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy et. al.,

There has been recent discussion of open data standards at the Web 2.0 expo in DC earlier this month. You can see some of the presentations online at http://gov2events.blip.tv/posts?view=archive.

I&#039;m not sure most people understand the audience or what the desired outcome is. Right now it seems as if we are making data available without understanding how or why it will be used.

I believe that unwashed web masses (mom, my wife) for the most part will never explore the raw open data. Rather, organizations such as Sunlight Foundation will explore the data and publish their analysis allowing people to make their own decisions. 

Where I would like to see more open data is at the local level (county schools and government) where I can analyze how they are prioritizing and spending the local dollars.  Santa Cruz, CA was able to use some open source software to set up a site that enabled the community to participate in the budget deficit discussions in that city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy et. al.,</p>
<p>There has been recent discussion of open data standards at the Web 2.0 expo in DC earlier this month. You can see some of the presentations online at <a href="http://gov2events.blip.tv/posts?view=archive" rel="nofollow">http://gov2events.blip.tv/posts?view=archive</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure most people understand the audience or what the desired outcome is. Right now it seems as if we are making data available without understanding how or why it will be used.</p>
<p>I believe that unwashed web masses (mom, my wife) for the most part will never explore the raw open data. Rather, organizations such as Sunlight Foundation will explore the data and publish their analysis allowing people to make their own decisions. </p>
<p>Where I would like to see more open data is at the local level (county schools and government) where I can analyze how they are prioritizing and spending the local dollars.  Santa Cruz, CA was able to use some open source software to set up a site that enabled the community to participate in the budget deficit discussions in that city.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 04:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is really refreshing to hear of a whole day spent pursuing and discussing exploration and visualization as it relates to information retrieval.  If there was ever a large, important domain in which this type if IR was necessary, rather than the &quot;known item&quot;, navigational IR that has come to dominate most search today, government transparency would be it.

I&#039;m curious: Was there any discussion of the target user of the Open Government Initiative?  I.e. was it geared more at journalists and watchdog groups?  Or at better informed/participatory citizens?  Or was there any discussion about how tools could be made to appeal to a wider/mass audience?  

I guess what I&#039;m asking is: What happens when the unwashed web masses meet the larger exploratory potential of open government?  Is there an impedance mismatch when the two meet up, and was there any discussion about how to overcome that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is really refreshing to hear of a whole day spent pursuing and discussing exploration and visualization as it relates to information retrieval.  If there was ever a large, important domain in which this type if IR was necessary, rather than the &#8220;known item&#8221;, navigational IR that has come to dominate most search today, government transparency would be it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious: Was there any discussion of the target user of the Open Government Initiative?  I.e. was it geared more at journalists and watchdog groups?  Or at better informed/participatory citizens?  Or was there any discussion about how tools could be made to appeal to a wider/mass audience?  </p>
<p>I guess what I&#8217;m asking is: What happens when the unwashed web masses meet the larger exploratory potential of open government?  Is there an impedance mismatch when the two meet up, and was there any discussion about how to overcome that?</p>
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		<title>By: david yehaskel</title>
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		<dc:creator>david yehaskel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 03:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for letting me attend vicariously through your tweets and posts. I&#039;m saving this one for the morning coffee. 

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for letting me attend vicariously through your tweets and posts. I&#8217;m saving this one for the morning coffee. </p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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