Comments on: Google Search Appliance: Now Without HCIR! http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/08/20/google-search-appliance-now-without-hcir/ Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:45:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: JAA http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/08/20/google-search-appliance-now-without-hcir/comment-page-1/#comment-10368 JAA Tue, 30 Aug 2011 08:50:46 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2468#comment-10368 I think enterprise search is one niche that Google is finally not the undisputed champ...and I'm not overly upset to know that. Nice article! I think enterprise search is one niche that Google is finally not the undisputed champ…and I’m not overly upset to know that. Nice article!

]]> By: Saurabh http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/08/20/google-search-appliance-now-without-hcir/comment-page-1/#comment-6021 Saurabh Wed, 05 May 2010 17:32:48 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2468#comment-6021 I have posted about Google Search Appliance on <a href="http://techchai.com/2010/05/05/google-search-appliance-gsa-an-ultimate-tool-to-search-your-intranet/" rel="nofollow">Techchai.com</a> on by blog while doing research on search appliances. You have posted some nice information out here. Thanks. I have posted about Google Search Appliance on Techchai.com on by blog while doing research on search appliances. You have posted some nice information out here.
Thanks.

]]> By: Avalon Consulting LLC Blogs » A Wake-up Call: Google, support Faceted Search! http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/08/20/google-search-appliance-now-without-hcir/comment-page-1/#comment-5118 Avalon Consulting LLC Blogs » A Wake-up Call: Google, support Faceted Search! Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:43:42 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2468#comment-5118 [...] yet woken up to faceted search, I cannot explain . . . for more hand-wringing on that topic, see Daniel Takenlung’s post.  Hopefully for their tens of thousands of Google Search Appliance customers, Google will resolve [...] [...] yet woken up to faceted search, I cannot explain . . . for more hand-wringing on that topic, see Daniel Takenlung’s post.  Hopefully for their tens of thousands of Google Search Appliance customers, Google will resolve [...]

]]> By: Mark H http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/08/20/google-search-appliance-now-without-hcir/comment-page-1/#comment-4274 Mark H Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:45:00 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2468#comment-4274 Maybe its a security-related decision. I've seen their security model and it provides for call-outs to the content source system (sharepoint, filesystem etc) and checks the user authorisation on just these top results. With no local cache of all user/document access permissions in GSA it is inefficient to call-out to the source's security system when aggregating facet totals for a query - that could be millions of document security checks. Maybe its a security-related decision.
I’ve seen their security model and it provides for call-outs to the content source system (sharepoint, filesystem etc) and checks the user authorisation on just these top results.
With no local cache of all user/document access permissions in GSA it is inefficient to call-out to the source’s security system when aggregating facet totals for a query – that could be millions of document security checks.

]]> By: jeremy http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/08/20/google-search-appliance-now-without-hcir/comment-page-1/#comment-4273 jeremy Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:43:14 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2468#comment-4273 <i>Jeremy, I should know you’d be perfectly Candide with me.</i> No, think about it! The prefix "pan-" is a combining form that means all or everything. That's very similar to the motivation behind the name Google, which is so large that it might as well be everything. And they want to index all the worlds information, too. And "gloss".. what is something that often conjures thoughts of gloss, of bright and shiny surfaces. That's right. Chrome. Chrome is glossy. So there you have it. Pangloss = Google Chrome. It fits. Oh, and Google hires tons of PhDs. They make a big deal out of that. Dr. Pangloss. And don't forget Dr. Pangloss's "optimistic" attitude. Everything is the way that it is, because what is, is the best of all possible outcomes in all possible worlds. In other words, the Googly way to do things is the best and only way to do things. You will take your ranked ten links and love it. Now excuse me while I go "pangloss" some information on the web. Jeremy, I should know you’d be perfectly Candide with me.

No, think about it! The prefix “pan-” is a combining form that means all or everything. That’s very similar to the motivation behind the name Google, which is so large that it might as well be everything. And they want to index all the worlds information, too.

And “gloss”.. what is something that often conjures thoughts of gloss, of bright and shiny surfaces. That’s right. Chrome. Chrome is glossy.

So there you have it. Pangloss = Google Chrome. It fits. Oh, and Google hires tons of PhDs. They make a big deal out of that. Dr. Pangloss.

And don’t forget Dr. Pangloss’s “optimistic” attitude. Everything is the way that it is, because what is, is the best of all possible outcomes in all possible worlds. In other words, the Googly way to do things is the best and only way to do things. You will take your ranked ten links and love it.

Now excuse me while I go “pangloss” some information on the web.

]]> By: jeremy http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/08/20/google-search-appliance-now-without-hcir/comment-page-1/#comment-4272 jeremy Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:34:09 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2468#comment-4272 <i>The press release was just based on an unsupported experimental feature </i> Press releases for unsupported (non-existent?) features? Chrome OS announced 1.5 years ahead of time, while there is nowhere near an actual product? Is Google turning in to Microsoft, with this new vaporware strategy? Google '09 = Microsoft '95? The press release was just based on an unsupported experimental feature

Press releases for unsupported (non-existent?) features? Chrome OS announced 1.5 years ahead of time, while there is nowhere near an actual product?

Is Google turning in to Microsoft, with this new vaporware strategy? Google ’09 = Microsoft ’95?

]]> By: Jerome Pesenti http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/08/20/google-search-appliance-now-without-hcir/comment-page-1/#comment-4271 Jerome Pesenti Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:42:24 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2468#comment-4271 Google announced parametric/faceted search in their <a href="http://www.google.com/intl/en/press/pressrel/20071010_gsa5.html" rel="nofollow">v5 release</a> almost 2 years ago. At that point everybody assumed that the GSA supported it - including their current sales team ;-) - but now that v6 is out, it just completely disappeared from their <a href="http://www.google.com/enterprise/pdf/gsa_datasheet.pdf" rel="nofollow">feature list</a>. The reason, as I mentioned it in a comment to your previous post, is that they never actually supported it. The press release was just based on an <a href="http://code.google.com/p/parametric/" rel="nofollow">unsupported experimental feature</a> that calculates facets in JavaScript out of the top 100 results.... No wonder they are now dissing the feature... that's smart product management! Google announced parametric/faceted search in their v5 release almost 2 years ago. At that point everybody assumed that the GSA supported it – including their current sales team ;-) – but now that v6 is out, it just completely disappeared from their feature list.

The reason, as I mentioned it in a comment to your previous post, is that they never actually supported it. The press release was just based on an unsupported experimental feature that calculates facets in JavaScript out of the top 100 results….

No wonder they are now dissing the feature… that’s smart product management!

]]> By: Daniel Tunkelang http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/08/20/google-search-appliance-now-without-hcir/comment-page-1/#comment-4270 Daniel Tunkelang Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:39:15 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2468#comment-4270 Jeremy, I should know you'd be perfectly <i>Candide</i> with me. Iadh, I don't doubt the utility of the mechanism, nor do I fault Mistry for not citing previous work in a press release--though you reinforce that this approach is hardly innovative. Rather, my concern is that he treats the tool's limitation as a virtue--rather than acknowledging the loss of fidelity in a tool that ignores everything but result ranking, he says that nothing else actually matters to users. Jeremy, I should know you’d be perfectly Candide with me.

Iadh, I don’t doubt the utility of the mechanism, nor do I fault Mistry for not citing previous work in a press release–though you reinforce that this approach is hardly innovative. Rather, my concern is that he treats the tool’s limitation as a virtue–rather than acknowledging the loss of fidelity in a tool that ignores everything but result ranking, he says that nothing else actually matters to users.

]]> By: Iadh Ounis http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/08/20/google-search-appliance-now-without-hcir/comment-page-1/#comment-4269 Iadh Ounis Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:24:15 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2468#comment-4269 The Side-by-side comparison tool has been proposed by <a href="http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1183632" rel="nofollow">Thomas and Hawking</a> in CIKM 2006 as an important mechanism to evaluate enterprise search engine. They have also a position paper in the "Future of IR" workshop in SIGIR'09 about the new C_TEST framework for evaluating/tuning enterprise search engines. The Side-by-side comparison tool has been proposed by Thomas and Hawking in CIKM 2006 as an important mechanism to evaluate enterprise search engine.

They have also a position paper in the “Future of IR” workshop in SIGIR’09 about the new C_TEST framework for evaluating/tuning enterprise search engines.

]]> By: jeremy http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/08/20/google-search-appliance-now-without-hcir/comment-page-1/#comment-4268 jeremy Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:07:00 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2468#comment-4268 No, Daniel T, you're not gettin' it. Google is taking the role of Voltaire's <i>Dr. Pangloss</i>. Google saying that ranked ten links is all for the best, in the best of all possible worlds. Who are we to question their optimism? Aw, forget it. I'm gonna go cultivate my own garden. ;-) No, Daniel T, you’re not gettin’ it. Google is taking the role of Voltaire’s Dr. Pangloss. Google saying that ranked ten links is all for the best, in the best of all possible worlds. Who are we to question their optimism?

Aw, forget it. I’m gonna go cultivate my own garden. ;-)

]]> By: Daniel Tunkelang http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/08/20/google-search-appliance-now-without-hcir/comment-page-1/#comment-4267 Daniel Tunkelang Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:26:14 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2468#comment-4267 If I take Mistry at his words, it's that he thinks none of that stuff matters, only the result ranking. Perhaps he is catering to a conservative user base. But at least in site search, faceted search has become the standard--as demonstrated by Amazon and eBay, not to mention countless Endeca customers. I know people at Google who acknowledge that. That's why I'm mystified by Mistry's dismissiveness. If I take Mistry at his words, it’s that he thinks none of that stuff matters, only the result ranking. Perhaps he is catering to a conservative user base. But at least in site search, faceted search has become the standard–as demonstrated by Amazon and eBay, not to mention countless Endeca customers. I know people at Google who acknowledge that. That’s why I’m mystified by Mistry’s dismissiveness.

]]> By: Raza http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/08/20/google-search-appliance-now-without-hcir/comment-page-1/#comment-4265 Raza Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:20:14 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2468#comment-4265 Well do you think that the reason Google is refraining from HCIR is because they suspect that it will drive away users who are used to 10 blue links? I am sure that such users are plenty and they don't want to give up on 10 blue links, just like they are not giving up on IE6. Well do you think that the reason Google is refraining from HCIR is because they suspect that it will drive away users who are used to 10 blue links? I am sure that such users are plenty and they don’t want to give up on 10 blue links, just like they are not giving up on IE6.

]]> By: Daniel Tunkelang http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/08/20/google-search-appliance-now-without-hcir/comment-page-1/#comment-4264 Daniel Tunkelang Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:33:59 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2468#comment-4264 Yes, but McDonald's does claim that all people want is Big Macs. Mistry's argument--and his pitch for the side-by-side tool-- is that everything but the ranking of results is peripheral and thus shouldn't play a significant role in how you evaluate an enterprise search solution. Perhaps he prefers that as the playing field for evaluating the GSA--that certainly seems to be the point of the video. But it's a disservice to enterprises. Regardless of the GSA's strengths and weakness, there's no reason for him to be dismissive of the broad range of mechanisms for supporting interaction and exploration. At best, it's ignorant; at worst, it's shamelessly partisan. Yes, but McDonald’s does claim that all people want is Big Macs. Mistry’s argument–and his pitch for the side-by-side tool– is that everything but the ranking of results is peripheral and thus shouldn’t play a significant role in how you evaluate an enterprise search solution. Perhaps he prefers that as the playing field for evaluating the GSA–that certainly seems to be the point of the video. But it’s a disservice to enterprises.

Regardless of the GSA’s strengths and weakness, there’s no reason for him to be dismissive of the broad range of mechanisms for supporting interaction and exploration. At best, it’s ignorant; at worst, it’s shamelessly partisan.

]]> By: Daniel Lemire http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/08/20/google-search-appliance-now-without-hcir/comment-page-1/#comment-4262 Daniel Lemire Fri, 21 Aug 2009 01:31:07 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2468#comment-4262 Hmmm... Ok, but isn't Google the MacDonald's of Enterprise Search? They don't need to be good. Just consistent. Hmmm… Ok, but isn’t Google the MacDonald’s of Enterprise Search?

They don’t need to be good. Just consistent.

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