Comments on: Will Browsers Ship With Ad Blockers?

By: Udorse: Give Product Placement a Chance | The Noisy Channel

Udorse: Give Product Placement a Chance | The Noisy Channel — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:39:50 +0000

[...] uncertain whether to be awed or horrified by this simple concept. Indeed, given my penchant for using ad blockers, you might think I’d be ideologically against product [...]

By: kevotheclone

kevotheclone — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:23:50 +0000

” I use Google Reader myself, which doesn’t seem to have ads”

You so do I. Google Reader sync’d with Awasu; the best of both worlds.

By: jeremy

jeremy — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:17:19 +0000

Alex did mention (for real) in that talk that I attended a few weeks ago that Glue wasn’t profitable yet.

So I guess you could say that Glue isn’t solvent?

(bah-dump-bump)

By: Daniel Tunkelang

Daniel Tunkelang — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:04:36 +0000

Yeah, I don’t quite get Glue either. I have a sort of portable translation personalization rattling around in my head, but it’s not quite coherent yet. Will share more when it congeals.

As for Awasu, that does sound nice. I use Google Reader myself, which doesn’t seem to have ads–but it may be that one of my Firefox add-ons is removing the ads downstream.

By: kevotheclone

kevotheclone — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:39:42 +0000

I’m a little late to the party as I took a vacation from IT last week.

Just thought I’d let you know that I subscribe to your feed in Awasu. Awasu has blocked ads in feed content since Dec 2007: http://www.awasu.com/weblog/?p=413
Here’s some nice screenshots:
http://www.awasu.com/weblog/?p=442

By: dave fauth

dave fauth — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:39:41 +0000

I looked at Glue. Didn’t understand it and haven’t looked at it since.

By: Daniel Tunkelang

Daniel Tunkelang — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:52:08 +0000

Anonymous, I suspect the number of people who install Opera is less then the number of Firefox users who install AdBlock Plus. And neither of these addresses the textual ads that CustomizeGoogle blocks.

Dave, great to see hear your virtual voice–long time! I’ve heard lots of buzz about AdaptiveBlue, but never met any users. Now I’m actually curious.

By: dave fauth

dave fauth — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:59:47 +0000

Alex Iskold’s product is called Glue. GetGlue.com

By: anonymous

anonymous — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:10:52 +0000

On a side note: Afaik Opera has a built-in ad blocker, but don’t publish predefined filter lists. There are community-driven lists, however…

By: jeremy

jeremy — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:07:04 +0000

There is another company forming that does exactly this. I can’t remember what it’s called, but I think the person behind it is.. Alex Iskold? I just attended a presentation from him a few months ago. If I can find the name again, I’ll pass it along.

By: Jeremy Kriegel

Jeremy Kriegel — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:54:53 +0000

If your trusted search engine has more information about you, then it will do a better job in the organic results of finding the information you need.

Like I said, Google has loads of information about me. Unfortunately, that info is not (yet) useful when I look for books on Amazon.

It’s really a shame that Matchmine didn’t last. They let you carry your prefs and history with you, giving access as you saw fit. A bit ahead of its time, methinks.

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10/27/matchmine-throws-in-the-towel/

By: jeremy

jeremy — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:42:51 +0000

Substitute “make it an HCI issue” for “made it an HCI issue, above.

By: jeremy

jeremy — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:36:00 +0000

I think the better results will depend on who has more information about me (and people like me) to drive the recommendations. My trusted vendor, with whom I have purchase history and have given a certain amount of personal information, will have plenty of data on me and similar customers.

What you say is orthogonal to my point. If your trusted search engine has more information about you, then it will do a better job in the organic results of finding the information you need. And if it does this, then you still won’t need to look at the ads.

In fact, if you block ads altogether, then in order for the search engine to do an even better job of satisfying you, so that you will keep using their engine, they will *have* to get better in the organic results. Again, blocking ads should spur even more innovation, if they want to keep your traffic.

What about the entertaining ads? Have you ever stopped your DVR mid-FF because something seemed interesting? I stop for all Apple ads, because I want to see what iPhone apps they’re spotlighting. It’s useful content to me.

Yes, I have stopped my Tivo mid-FF to watch those “Most Interesting Man in the World” commercials. They’re entertaining, sure. But they’re not informative. They’re not relevant to any information need that I have. I like to watch them, but have I bought Dos Equis beer as a result? No. Has my increase in beer consumption of any kind, whether from Dos Equis or any other substitution brand, increased? No.

So the ad entertained, nothing more. It wasn’t what I was actually seeking.

I suspect I’ll get at least one of you to agree that truly successful ads as part of the search experience would inspire people to opt in to ads.

I would be inspired if a search engine company ever took this approach. Made it an HCI issue, where you could express your information need in terms of whether or not commercial results were desired, or non-commercial results.

It is a relevance mistake to always be ready to show both.

By: jeremy

jeremy — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:28:18 +0000

D’oh, I didn’t click through your link. Sorry!

By: Daniel Tunkelang

Daniel Tunkelang — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:10:55 +0000

Did you click through the link in the comment? Or do you just prefer Webster to Wikipedia?

By: jeremy

jeremy — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:07:06 +0000

Uh oh, it’s a battle of the Jeremies Daniel, I think the technical term for it is a "jeremiad". Look it up. Seriously.

By: Daniel Tunkelang

Daniel Tunkelang — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:41:10 +0000

I block all unsolicited ads, but I do go out of my way to watch funny ads. Indeed, I often find them on YouTube by searching for ads and retrieving them in my unsponsored results.

I suspect I’ll get at least one of you to agree that truly successful ads as part of the search experience would inspire people to opt in to ads. In contrast, today’s state of affairs is that a few people like me opt out (probably in violation of unenforceable and legally questionable terms of service), while most of the rest don’t care. And just enough people actually click on the ads to feeds armies of Googlers, Yahoos, and Bingers.

By: Jeremy Kriegel

Jeremy Kriegel — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:25:06 +0000

OTOH, Google has 1.gGB of my email…

I think one of the desires to block ads has as much to do with annoyance than anything else. As noted here (http://bit.ly/dL3ad) many online ads are just over-the-top annoying! How can you not want to get those out of your face?

I sometimes use ads to my advantage. If I’m having trouble finding what I’m looking for on Google, I’ll go to the ads. At least those people paid to be associated with the concept I’m interested in. If I can’t find what I want from the ‘natural’ results, I’ll try the ads.

This is all just my experience. I don’t pretend to infer that it is more broadly applicable.

By: Daniel Tunkelang

Daniel Tunkelang — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:59:54 +0000

Uh oh, it’s a battle of the Jeremies!

By: jeremy

jeremy — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:36:04 +0000

But Jeremy K., isn’t it also the case that the better search engines get at finding (showing you) the things that you want, the less you need to even look at ads?

If so, then ad blocking might actually spur more innovation in the search arena.

By: Daniel Tunkelang

Daniel Tunkelang — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:35:59 +0000

That’s certainly a win-win. I guess I take it further–I’ll pay for useful information, at least if I can’t get it for free. And I’ll always be skeptical of information pushed at me for free be people who stand to gain from my consuming it. I know it’s not a zero-sum game, but the asymmetry of investment leads me to infer a corresponding asymmetry of return.

By: Jeremy Kriegel

Jeremy Kriegel — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:20:26 +0000

The better advertisers get at showing me things I want, the more tolerant I’ll become of their efforts.