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	<title>Comments on: SIGIR 2009: Day 3, Industry Track: danah boyd</title>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/07/29/sigir-2009-day-3-industry-track-danah-boyd/comment-page-1/#comment-4042</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, though I don&#039;t think that all of the industry track participants were lecture circuit types. I do think there&#039;s a cultural difference between industry and academia, and that the former places a higher value on presentation skills.

In any case, I do agree that conference presentations should make the most of the live, visual, and interactive medium. One of the best conference presentations outside the industry track was Paul Bennett&#039;s talk on &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/pauben/papers/sigir-2009-refined-experts-bennett-nguyen.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Refined Experts&lt;/a&gt;&quot;, in no small part because he made the presentation very interactive, as well as emphasizing visual materials over formulas.

I find that senior researchers take this approach more often than junior ones, and my speculation is that the senior ones are less concerned with proving themselves--and thus focus more on communicating with the audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, though I don&#8217;t think that all of the industry track participants were lecture circuit types. I do think there&#8217;s a cultural difference between industry and academia, and that the former places a higher value on presentation skills.</p>
<p>In any case, I do agree that conference presentations should make the most of the live, visual, and interactive medium. One of the best conference presentations outside the industry track was Paul Bennett&#8217;s talk on &#8220;<a href="http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/pauben/papers/sigir-2009-refined-experts-bennett-nguyen.pdf" rel="nofollow">Refined Experts</a>&#8220;, in no small part because he made the presentation very interactive, as well as emphasizing visual materials over formulas.</p>
<p>I find that senior researchers take this approach more often than junior ones, and my speculation is that the senior ones are less concerned with proving themselves&#8211;and thus focus more on communicating with the audience.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/07/29/sigir-2009-day-3-industry-track-danah-boyd/comment-page-1/#comment-4041</link>
		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not the polish that I&#039;m worried about; I&#039;m sure that an industry speaker, doing a lecture circuit, is going to automatically be orders of magnitude more polished than even the best SIGIR presenter.  And that&#039;s simply because the industry person will have done it dozens of times more.

So that aside, there is still a qualitative difference in how danah chose to represent her material, and how almost, if not all, other SIGIR academic and industry researchers presented themselves.  Not just a difference in quantitative skill and polish, but in qualitative approach.

True, slideological slides can&#039;t be shared as usefully.  But I&#039;m still wondering: In terms of giving a conference presentation, the purpose of which is to invite people to read your paper in more details, should academic presenters move more in that direction?

No right or wrong answer.  Am just interested in your (and your readers&#039;) opinions, and reasons for those opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the polish that I&#8217;m worried about; I&#8217;m sure that an industry speaker, doing a lecture circuit, is going to automatically be orders of magnitude more polished than even the best SIGIR presenter.  And that&#8217;s simply because the industry person will have done it dozens of times more.</p>
<p>So that aside, there is still a qualitative difference in how danah chose to represent her material, and how almost, if not all, other SIGIR academic and industry researchers presented themselves.  Not just a difference in quantitative skill and polish, but in qualitative approach.</p>
<p>True, slideological slides can&#8217;t be shared as usefully.  But I&#8217;m still wondering: In terms of giving a conference presentation, the purpose of which is to invite people to read your paper in more details, should academic presenters move more in that direction?</p>
<p>No right or wrong answer.  Am just interested in your (and your readers&#8217;) opinions, and reasons for those opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/07/29/sigir-2009-day-3-industry-track-danah-boyd/comment-page-1/#comment-4039</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I felt--and heard from others--that the Industry Track presentations were, on the whole, more polished than research talks. That&#039;s not entirely surprising, given the different selection processes for both (invited talks vs. blind peer-reviewed submission).

I don&#039;t expect graduate students or even faculty to be superstar presenters. But presenting is a skill, and there were a number of presenters whom I wanted to send to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.toastmasters.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Toastmasters&lt;/a&gt; for basic training. That strikes me as a bigger issue than the choice of presentation format.

Specifically with regard to danah&#039;s &quot;slideological&quot; presentation format, it does have the unfortunate side effect that the slides aren&#039;t useful as a stand-alone artifact (which is why she isn&#039;t sharing them online). Of course, you can turn that around as a positive: she made it worth being there live. My personal style is somewhere in between.

Of course, there&#039;s the hope that future SIGIR conferences will be videoed, or even live-streamed. That would be nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I felt&#8211;and heard from others&#8211;that the Industry Track presentations were, on the whole, more polished than research talks. That&#8217;s not entirely surprising, given the different selection processes for both (invited talks vs. blind peer-reviewed submission).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect graduate students or even faculty to be superstar presenters. But presenting is a skill, and there were a number of presenters whom I wanted to send to <a href="http://www.toastmasters.org/" rel="nofollow">Toastmasters</a> for basic training. That strikes me as a bigger issue than the choice of presentation format.</p>
<p>Specifically with regard to danah&#8217;s &#8220;slideological&#8221; presentation format, it does have the unfortunate side effect that the slides aren&#8217;t useful as a stand-alone artifact (which is why she isn&#8217;t sharing them online). Of course, you can turn that around as a positive: she made it worth being there live. My personal style is somewhere in between.</p>
<p>Of course, there&#8217;s the hope that future SIGIR conferences will be videoed, or even live-streamed. That would be nice.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/07/29/sigir-2009-day-3-industry-track-danah-boyd/comment-page-1/#comment-4038</link>
		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 05:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to the content, I found the form of her presentation interesting.  It was very much along the style favored by conferences such as eTech, and in books like Slideology (http://blog.duarte.com/book/)

It makes me wonder.. should the rest of the academic community be moving in this direction as well?  Would we be better off giving more&quot; slideological&quot; presentations?  Or is it more of an eTech-ian cultural norm or fad, rather than a more universal aspiration?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to the content, I found the form of her presentation interesting.  It was very much along the style favored by conferences such as eTech, and in books like Slideology (<a href="http://blog.duarte.com/book/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.duarte.com/book/</a>)</p>
<p>It makes me wonder.. should the rest of the academic community be moving in this direction as well?  Would we be better off giving more&#8221; slideological&#8221; presentations?  Or is it more of an eTech-ian cultural norm or fad, rather than a more universal aspiration?</p>
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