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	<title>Comments on: Search Innovation: Why Can&#8217;t We All Just Get Along?</title>
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		<title>By: Jerome Pesenti</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/06/26/search-innovation-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along/comment-page-1/#comment-3970</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerome Pesenti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right NorthernLight came in earlier in 1997 (and they still seem to &lt;a href=&quot;http://northernlight.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;be around&lt;/a&gt;!).  They were doing search results faceting on top of pre-defined categories. They even claimed that search results clustering was infringing on their  &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/mz657s&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;patent&lt;/a&gt;  which it couldn&#039;t given Marti&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www2.parc.com/istl/projects/ia/papers/sg-sigir96/sigir96.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;prior work&lt;/a&gt;. Not only people claim credit all around but there are lots of &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/lpzrut&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;crazy patents&lt;/a&gt; in that area...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right NorthernLight came in earlier in 1997 (and they still seem to <a href="http://northernlight.com" rel="nofollow">be around</a>!).  They were doing search results faceting on top of pre-defined categories. They even claimed that search results clustering was infringing on their  <a href="http://tinyurl.com/mz657s" rel="nofollow">patent</a>  which it couldn&#8217;t given Marti&#8217;s <a href="http://www2.parc.com/istl/projects/ia/papers/sg-sigir96/sigir96.html" rel="nofollow">prior work</a>. Not only people claim credit all around but there are lots of <a href="http://tinyurl.com/lpzrut" rel="nofollow">crazy patents</a> in that area&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerome, great to see you here, and good point re: Bing&#039;s grouping of results. You&#039;re right that Bing&#039;s inclusion of previews of the query suggestions in the main results is a kind of categorization or clustering (I can&#039;t tell if its supervised or unsupervised). But, as we agree, it isn&#039;t faceted search.

As for credit, I think we&#039;re also agreeing that techniques for organizing search results have been around for a while. For example, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.allbusiness.com/technology/software-services-applications-search-engines/7043430-1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Northern Light&lt;/a&gt; was around before both Endeca, Vivisimo, Hakia, and Bing. And of course &lt;a href=&quot;http://www2.parc.com/istl/projects/ia/sg-overview.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Scatter/Gather&lt;/a&gt; work from PARC is even earlier, though I don&#039;t know if any of it made it into commercial products.

In any case, I think it&#039;s silly for anyone other than the lawyers to fight over credit, and I think that even the lawyers will have a tough time with the nuances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerome, great to see you here, and good point re: Bing&#8217;s grouping of results. You&#8217;re right that Bing&#8217;s inclusion of previews of the query suggestions in the main results is a kind of categorization or clustering (I can&#8217;t tell if its supervised or unsupervised). But, as we agree, it isn&#8217;t faceted search.</p>
<p>As for credit, I think we&#8217;re also agreeing that techniques for organizing search results have been around for a while. For example, <a href="http://www.allbusiness.com/technology/software-services-applications-search-engines/7043430-1.html" rel="nofollow">Northern Light</a> was around before both Endeca, Vivisimo, Hakia, and Bing. And of course <a href="http://www2.parc.com/istl/projects/ia/sg-overview.html" rel="nofollow">Scatter/Gather</a> work from PARC is even earlier, though I don&#8217;t know if any of it made it into commercial products.</p>
<p>In any case, I think it&#8217;s silly for anyone other than the lawyers to fight over credit, and I think that even the lawyers will have a tough time with the nuances.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerome Pesenti</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/06/26/search-innovation-why-cant-we-all-just-get-along/comment-page-1/#comment-3966</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerome Pesenti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right that there is some confusion about terminology but Bing&#039;s approach on their web results is actually an interesting mix of things. It offers query suggestions but also groups the results for some queries (try &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bing.com/search?q=nike&amp;go=&amp;form=QBLH&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nike&lt;/a&gt;) which is neither faceting nor pure clustering. 

With regard to &quot;taking credit&quot;, my only intent was to say that organizing search results in categories/clusters/facet is far from a new idea which makes Hakia&#039;s claim somewhat odd.  I believe that Vivisimo was the first company to offer commercially search results grouping of any kind (we sold and demonstrated the technology on vivisimo.com as early as  June 2000, Endeca was created in 1999  but only launched in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.endeca.com/corporate-info/press-room/pr/pr_2001-01-29.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2001&lt;/a&gt; ). In no way we actually claim to have invented the idea, early prototypes had been created by Marti Hearst herself as well as Oren Etzioni&#039;s team who had a live site running in 1999.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right that there is some confusion about terminology but Bing&#8217;s approach on their web results is actually an interesting mix of things. It offers query suggestions but also groups the results for some queries (try <a href="http://www.bing.com/search?q=nike&amp;go=&amp;form=QBLH" rel="nofollow">nike</a>) which is neither faceting nor pure clustering. </p>
<p>With regard to &#8220;taking credit&#8221;, my only intent was to say that organizing search results in categories/clusters/facet is far from a new idea which makes Hakia&#8217;s claim somewhat odd.  I believe that Vivisimo was the first company to offer commercially search results grouping of any kind (we sold and demonstrated the technology on vivisimo.com as early as  June 2000, Endeca was created in 1999  but only launched in <a href="http://www.endeca.com/corporate-info/press-room/pr/pr_2001-01-29.html" rel="nofollow">2001</a> ). In no way we actually claim to have invented the idea, early prototypes had been created by Marti Hearst herself as well as Oren Etzioni&#8217;s team who had a live site running in 1999.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for smarter browsers--I love the &quot;awesome&quot; bar on Firefox, and I&#039;ve heard that Chrome users enjoy similar features. But I&#039;m skeptical about a browser that &quot;reconfigures and optimises any vague search terms seamlessly&quot;. I like transparency and control, and the last thing I want is my browser second-guessing my intentions.

But to each his or her own. My point is not to criticize the various ways that people are trying to innovate, but rather to suggest that we&#039;d be well served by using a consistent vocabulary to describe the various technical approaches to search--and by being cognizant of their history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for smarter browsers&#8211;I love the &#8220;awesome&#8221; bar on Firefox, and I&#8217;ve heard that Chrome users enjoy similar features. But I&#8217;m skeptical about a browser that &#8220;reconfigures and optimises any vague search terms seamlessly&#8221;. I like transparency and control, and the last thing I want is my browser second-guessing my intentions.</p>
<p>But to each his or her own. My point is not to criticize the various ways that people are trying to innovate, but rather to suggest that we&#8217;d be well served by using a consistent vocabulary to describe the various technical approaches to search&#8211;and by being cognizant of their history.</p>
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		<title>By: Jurn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jurn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The browser &#039;interviews&#039; the user on install (50 questions?), maybe also trawls their bookmarks for keywords, maybe even harvests their Facebook page. Then it embeds a blended personal profile in the browser.  When searching the web, the browser then reconfigures and optimises any vague search terms seamlessly, before they even hit the engine.  No need for the poor user to get RSI clicking through endless facets, clusters and drop-down suggestion menus for each and every search query they make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The browser &#8216;interviews&#8217; the user on install (50 questions?), maybe also trawls their bookmarks for keywords, maybe even harvests their Facebook page. Then it embeds a blended personal profile in the browser.  When searching the web, the browser then reconfigures and optimises any vague search terms seamlessly, before they even hit the engine.  No need for the poor user to get RSI clicking through endless facets, clusters and drop-down suggestion menus for each and every search query they make.</p>
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