Comments on: The Twouble with Twitter Search http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/05/09/the-twouble-with-twitter-search/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:39:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Is Twitter Planning To Monetize The Firehose? | The Noisy Channel http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/05/09/the-twouble-with-twitter-search/comment-page-1/#comment-4589 Is Twitter Planning To Monetize The Firehose? | The Noisy Channel Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:05:11 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2065#comment-4589 [...] few months ago, I wrote in “The Twouble with Twitter Search“: But the trickle that Twitter returns is hardly [...] [...] few months ago, I wrote in “The Twouble with Twitter Search“: But the trickle that Twitter returns is hardly [...]

]]> By: An Able Grape at the Helm of Twitter Search « AltSearchEngines http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/05/09/the-twouble-with-twitter-search/comment-page-1/#comment-4171 An Able Grape at the Helm of Twitter Search « AltSearchEngines Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:08:01 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2065#comment-4171 [...] While I am an avid Twitter user (and apparently a tradeable commodity in a “Fantasy Twitter” game that some friends are playing), regular readers know that I’ve offered mixed reviews of Twitter Search. [...] [...] While I am an avid Twitter user (and apparently a tradeable commodity in a “Fantasy Twitter” game that some friends are playing), regular readers know that I’ve offered mixed reviews of Twitter Search. [...]

]]> By: An Able Grape at the Helm of Twitter Search | The Noisy Channel http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/05/09/the-twouble-with-twitter-search/comment-page-1/#comment-4166 An Able Grape at the Helm of Twitter Search | The Noisy Channel Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:56:03 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2065#comment-4166 [...] While I am an avid Twitter user (and apparently a tradeable commodity in a “Fantasy Twitter” game that some friends are playing), regular readers know that I’ve offered mixed reviews of Twitter Search. [...] [...] While I am an avid Twitter user (and apparently a tradeable commodity in a “Fantasy Twitter” game that some friends are playing), regular readers know that I’ve offered mixed reviews of Twitter Search. [...]

]]> By: An Able Grape at the Helm of Twitter Search | The Noisy Channel http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/05/09/the-twouble-with-twitter-search/comment-page-1/#comment-4167 An Able Grape at the Helm of Twitter Search | The Noisy Channel Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:56:03 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2065#comment-4167 [...] While I am an avid Twitter user (and apparently a tradeable commodity in a “Fantasy Twitter” game that some friends are playing), regular readers know that I’ve offered mixed reviews of Twitter Search. [...] [...] While I am an avid Twitter user (and apparently a tradeable commodity in a “Fantasy Twitter” game that some friends are playing), regular readers know that I’ve offered mixed reviews of Twitter Search. [...]

]]> By: Daniel Tunkelang http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/05/09/the-twouble-with-twitter-search/comment-page-1/#comment-3090 Daniel Tunkelang Mon, 11 May 2009 17:49:05 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2065#comment-3090 I think that full access to the Twitter archives (e.g., tweets that are at least a day-old) would be valuable in its own right, though I realize that what excites people is the "real-time" aspect of Twitter. Are you saying that the scaling challenge is because of the desire for sub-minute latency or because of the challenge of servicing a large number of consuming applications? I think that full access to the Twitter archives (e.g., tweets that are at least a day-old) would be valuable in its own right, though I realize that what excites people is the “real-time” aspect of Twitter.

Are you saying that the scaling challenge is because of the desire for sub-minute latency or because of the challenge of servicing a large number of consuming applications?

]]> By: David Sterry http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/05/09/the-twouble-with-twitter-search/comment-page-1/#comment-3089 David Sterry Mon, 11 May 2009 17:37:27 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2065#comment-3089 Twitter had a decent way for others to get access to the real-time information but that method didn't scale well. A firehose is just what it is...we're talking a million or more tweets per day and can expect 10 million tweets a day in a year or two. Jabber could handle it but they could also post the messages to a consumer server 100, 1000, or 10000 messages at a time. The realtime-ness is important to within a minute but people notice missing tweets so the top priority should be completeness. Twitter had a decent way for others to get access to the real-time information but that method didn’t scale well. A firehose is just what it is…we’re talking a million or more tweets per day and can expect 10 million tweets a day in a year or two. Jabber could handle it but they could also post the messages to a consumer server 100, 1000, or 10000 messages at a time. The realtime-ness is important to within a minute but people notice missing tweets so the top priority should be completeness.

]]> By: Daniel Tunkelang http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/05/09/the-twouble-with-twitter-search/comment-page-1/#comment-3078 Daniel Tunkelang Sun, 10 May 2009 21:23:24 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2065#comment-3078 Brendan, conspiracy is a strong word. But I'm sure the a number of folks, including Google, would happily fund the availability of the firehouse with both money and labor if Twitter would give them a chance--and I'm equally sure that Twitter knows this. Brendan, conspiracy is a strong word. But I’m sure the a number of folks, including Google, would happily fund the availability of the firehouse with both money and labor if Twitter would give them a chance–and I’m equally sure that Twitter knows this.

]]> By: Brendan O'Connor http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/05/09/the-twouble-with-twitter-search/comment-page-1/#comment-3077 Brendan O'Connor Sun, 10 May 2009 18:53:41 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2065#comment-3077 <blockquote>I believe this limitation is by design–that Twitter knows the value of such access and isn’t about to give it away.</blockquote> Simpler explanation: they're too busy to implement new features! Have you tried using max date restrictions? You can go back further though it's still limited. They even have a blog post saying they wished they could serve up more, but are limited by available hardware and are working on getting more. There's no business conspiracy. Just a little company with too much too do.

I believe this limitation is by design–that Twitter knows the value of such access and isn’t about to give it away.

Simpler explanation: they’re too busy to implement new features!

Have you tried using max date restrictions? You can go back further though it’s still limited.

They even have a blog post saying they wished they could serve up more, but are limited by available hardware and are working on getting more. There’s no business conspiracy. Just a little company with too much too do.

]]> By: Daniel Tunkelang http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/05/09/the-twouble-with-twitter-search/comment-page-1/#comment-3071 Daniel Tunkelang Sun, 10 May 2009 14:11:17 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2065#comment-3071 Hannes, I'm aware of the operators--you might notice that I use some of them to generate my Twitter feed (bottom right). The problem I'm trying to highlight is not the lack of operators. Rather, it is that Twitter only returns the most recent results. That's extremely limiting for popular queries (presumably the main fodder for "real-time" search), e.g., as I'm writing, all of the results for <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=star+trek" rel="nofollow">http://search.twitter.com/search?q=star+trek</a> are from less than a minute ago and hardly give me a coherent, holistic picture. It's also limiting for queries that would show an interesting arc over time, e.g., <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=google+books+settlement" rel="nofollow">http://search.twitter.com/search?q=google+books+settlement</a>. I could see cost and business model reasons for Twitter not to give this access away. I just hope they find a way to make this access available, under terms and conditions that lead people to make use of it. Hannes, I’m aware of the operators–you might notice that I use some of them to generate my Twitter feed (bottom right). The problem I’m trying to highlight is not the lack of operators. Rather, it is that Twitter only returns the most recent results.

That’s extremely limiting for popular queries (presumably the main fodder for “real-time” search), e.g., as I’m writing, all of the results for http://search.twitter.com/search?q=star+trek are from less than a minute ago and hardly give me a coherent, holistic picture. It’s also limiting for queries that would show an interesting arc over time, e.g., http://search.twitter.com/search?q=google+books+settlement.

I could see cost and business model reasons for Twitter not to give this access away. I just hope they find a way to make this access available, under terms and conditions that lead people to make use of it.

]]> By: Hannes Helander http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/05/09/the-twouble-with-twitter-search/comment-page-1/#comment-3069 Hannes Helander Sun, 10 May 2009 05:03:54 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=2065#comment-3069 Just to bring to your attention the different search operators actually supported by Twitter, including phrases and sentiment (love the operator) although the latter seems very rudimentary. http://search.twitter.com/operators Just to bring to your attention the different search operators actually supported by Twitter, including phrases and sentiment (love the operator) although the latter seems very rudimentary.

http://search.twitter.com/operators

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