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		<title>By: NYT Appoints a &#8220;Social Media Editor&#8221; &#124; The Noisy Channel</title>
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		<dc:creator>NYT Appoints a &#8220;Social Media Editor&#8221; &#124; The Noisy Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 19:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] seem driven more by their technologists than by the editorial side of the house. My sense at Times Open was that the editors are still scared that any change could dilute their brand [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] seem driven more by their technologists than by the editorial side of the house. My sense at Times Open was that the editors are still scared that any change could dilute their brand [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blogophobia at the New York Times? &#124; The Noisy Channel</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/22/reflecting-on-times-open/comment-page-1/#comment-2517</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogophobia at the New York Times? &#124; The Noisy Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] trying to shut down the Apartment Therapy blog using a DMCA notice. I thought the New York Time was going open; I hope this recent behavior isn&#8217;t indicative of their changing their [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] trying to shut down the Apartment Therapy blog using a DMCA notice. I thought the New York Time was going open; I hope this recent behavior isn&#8217;t indicative of their changing their [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pigsaw Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bookmarks for 24 Feb 2009</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/22/reflecting-on-times-open/comment-page-1/#comment-2077</link>
		<dc:creator>Pigsaw Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bookmarks for 24 Feb 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Reflecting on Times Open &#124; The Noisy ChannelA brief and informative write-up of the New York Times&#039; TimesOpen event. (nytimes web_development events ) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Reflecting on Times Open | The Noisy ChannelA brief and informative write-up of the New York Times&#39; TimesOpen event. (nytimes web_development events ) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Times Open: New assumptions for newspapers and their audience &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#187; Pushing to the Future of Journalism</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/22/reflecting-on-times-open/comment-page-1/#comment-2076</link>
		<dc:creator>Times Open: New assumptions for newspapers and their audience &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#187; Pushing to the Future of Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] speech (including slides), future plans for the article search API, other news applications, audience engagement with the Times, the conference&#8217;s backchannel conversation, and an interview with Derek Gottfrid, the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] speech (including slides), future plans for the article search API, other news applications, audience engagement with the Times, the conference&#8217;s backchannel conversation, and an interview with Derek Gottfrid, the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ArticleSave :: Uncategorized :: Times Open: Developers Gather to Discuss The New York Times APIs</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/22/reflecting-on-times-open/comment-page-1/#comment-2066</link>
		<dc:creator>ArticleSave :: Uncategorized :: Times Open: Developers Gather to Discuss The New York Times APIs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Daniel Tunkelang sees promise in the Times Open strategy but still questions how far the NYT is willing to go: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Daniel Tunkelang sees promise in the Times Open strategy but still questions how far the NYT is willing to go: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Everything is a Platform &#124; The Noisy Channel</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/22/reflecting-on-times-open/comment-page-1/#comment-2061</link>
		<dc:creator>Everything is a Platform &#124; The Noisy Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to become a platform for a brave new world of online news (though they&#8217;re still figuring out how to handle user-generated content). Meanwhile, every social network hopes to be *the* platform for social media, be it Facebook, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to become a platform for a brave new world of online news (though they&#8217;re still figuring out how to handle user-generated content). Meanwhile, every social network hopes to be *the* platform for social media, be it Facebook, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Young</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/22/reflecting-on-times-open/comment-page-1/#comment-2059</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are extraordinarily big questions, but I&#039;ll take a crack at them. They&#039;re my passion anyhow.

Yes, readers can get used to reading content wherever it appears. My sense is that RSS readers haven&#039;t quite figured it out yet but will soon enough in some way. Why, for instance, must clicking a link from one blog post to another take us outside the reader to the actual page of the other? Why can&#039;t the RSS reader grab that post and let us stay conveniently where we want? The killer reader would be able to monetize NYT content better than the NYT could alone, keeping (most of) the difference but making the NYT (better than) whole.

User-generated content will blur the line between readers and writers. It will for the simple reason that very many of us are both readers and writers and find it more efficient to do our reading and writing in one place rather than many. That&#039;s not an argument that one winner will take all; it&#039;s just a prediction that users will tend to be attracted to sites and services that simplify their lives by letting them do more with less.

I do not believe that the NYT or any other serious media company would do well to try to be a &quot;professional editor-in-chief of a sprawling graph of writers and amateur editors.&quot; There will be too much content. Much of it will be simply crummy stuff, but it will be impossible to discern what&#039;s crummy and what&#039;s simply part of a private conversation held in public. Either way, there&#039;s little use in sifting through it manually, from a central place of authority.

To the extent that sites or service that present professional and amateur content together emerge and become successful, they will do so only after they figure out a way to give users simple, intuitive, and powerful filters. We will tolerate only the writing we love. And helping us do that is a job to distribute across very large groups of users empowered by tools far more subtle than the current state of search, acting mostly self-interestedly, sifting, sorting, sharing, choosing by facets, connected to one another asymmetrically, mostly pulling not pushing. The NYT might be just one of those users, or its writers and editors may all be users themselves. Some implementation of tunkrank will help, I&#039;m sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are extraordinarily big questions, but I&#8217;ll take a crack at them. They&#8217;re my passion anyhow.</p>
<p>Yes, readers can get used to reading content wherever it appears. My sense is that RSS readers haven&#8217;t quite figured it out yet but will soon enough in some way. Why, for instance, must clicking a link from one blog post to another take us outside the reader to the actual page of the other? Why can&#8217;t the RSS reader grab that post and let us stay conveniently where we want? The killer reader would be able to monetize NYT content better than the NYT could alone, keeping (most of) the difference but making the NYT (better than) whole.</p>
<p>User-generated content will blur the line between readers and writers. It will for the simple reason that very many of us are both readers and writers and find it more efficient to do our reading and writing in one place rather than many. That&#8217;s not an argument that one winner will take all; it&#8217;s just a prediction that users will tend to be attracted to sites and services that simplify their lives by letting them do more with less.</p>
<p>I do not believe that the NYT or any other serious media company would do well to try to be a &#8220;professional editor-in-chief of a sprawling graph of writers and amateur editors.&#8221; There will be too much content. Much of it will be simply crummy stuff, but it will be impossible to discern what&#8217;s crummy and what&#8217;s simply part of a private conversation held in public. Either way, there&#8217;s little use in sifting through it manually, from a central place of authority.</p>
<p>To the extent that sites or service that present professional and amateur content together emerge and become successful, they will do so only after they figure out a way to give users simple, intuitive, and powerful filters. We will tolerate only the writing we love. And helping us do that is a job to distribute across very large groups of users empowered by tools far more subtle than the current state of search, acting mostly self-interestedly, sifting, sorting, sharing, choosing by facets, connected to one another asymmetrically, mostly pulling not pushing. The NYT might be just one of those users, or its writers and editors may all be users themselves. Some implementation of tunkrank will help, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Who Wants to Be a Slumdog - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/22/reflecting-on-times-open/comment-page-1/#comment-2055</link>
		<dc:creator>Who Wants to Be a Slumdog - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] invited Web developers to share ideas at a &#8220;Times Open&#8221; conference. There was talk of a partly user-generated New York Times and third-party tools like this NYTExplorer. Attendees received &#8220;nerd merit badges.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] invited Web developers to share ideas at a &#8220;Times Open&#8221; conference. There was talk of a partly user-generated New York Times and third-party tools like this NYTExplorer. Attendees received &#8220;nerd merit badges.&#8221; [...]</p>
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