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		<title>By: Will Browsers Ship With Ad Blockers? &#124; The Noisy Channel</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/13/think-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-4129</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Browsers Ship With Ad Blockers? &#124; The Noisy Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] while ago, I wrote a post entitled &#8220;Think Evil&#8221; in which I mused that: A few years ago, when it became clear that Microsoft was losing the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/13/think-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-1989</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erica, that is awesome--I laughed so hard I cried!

And, as for re-routing ads, I believe it&#039;s been done:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpposted/archive/2007/12/19/trojan-virus-takes-down-google-s-adsense-program.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpposted/archive/2007/12/19/trojan-virus-takes-down-google-s-adsense-program.aspx&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erica, that is awesome&#8211;I laughed so hard I cried!</p>
<p>And, as for re-routing ads, I believe it&#8217;s been done:</p>
<p><a href="http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpposted/archive/2007/12/19/trojan-virus-takes-down-google-s-adsense-program.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpposted/archive/2007/12/19/trojan-virus-takes-down-google-s-adsense-program.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: erica</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/13/think-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-1984</link>
		<dc:creator>erica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;google&#039; apparently has other plans:

http://j-walk.com/other/googlecb/index.htm
 
speaking of being evil, I expect that if a browser could automatically remove ads without the user really noticing, then a browser could certainly replace ads on a page with its own ads (i.e. ads for companies that are paying the makers of the browser for ad space) with people noticing even less.  that would be pretty evil.  also, please nobody do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;google&#8217; apparently has other plans:</p>
<p><a href="http://j-walk.com/other/googlecb/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://j-walk.com/other/googlecb/index.htm</a></p>
<p>speaking of being evil, I expect that if a browser could automatically remove ads without the user really noticing, then a browser could certainly replace ads on a page with its own ads (i.e. ads for companies that are paying the makers of the browser for ad space) with people noticing even less.  that would be pretty evil.  also, please nobody do this.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/13/think-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-1926</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 14:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Mark, you&#039;re so conservative. Don&#039;t you realize that, if we just follow the tired ideas of the past eights years, we&#039;ll never have the audacity to hope for a better internet? :-)

Seriously, I realize the danger of replacing clearly demarcated ads with product placement or worse. But, in all sincerity, I do have the audacity to hope that we can make it work and move to a world where the negotiation of attention isn&#039;t so wasteful and adversarial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Mark, you&#8217;re so conservative. Don&#8217;t you realize that, if we just follow the tired ideas of the past eights years, we&#8217;ll never have the audacity to hope for a better internet? <img src='http://thenoisychannel.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously, I realize the danger of replacing clearly demarcated ads with product placement or worse. But, in all sincerity, I do have the audacity to hope that we can make it work and move to a world where the negotiation of attention isn&#8217;t so wasteful and adversarial.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/13/think-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-1925</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You won&#039;t make ads go away - it&#039;s a multi-billion business.  Even if you were successful at eradicating them technically (Tivo/ IE 9.0 with new &quot;adBlock&quot;) you&#039;ll simply move the ads deeper into the content. 
I personally like the separation I see in the search results - ads on the right, results on the left. Deny the ads their place on the page and they&#039;ll simply find increasingly more ways to move onto the left hand side of the page in the &quot;content&quot;. Expect more product placement in movies, billboard ads inside games, more &quot;Splogs&quot;.
I think &quot;Free&quot; is too ingrained in Internet culture for the rise of a subscribe model to be the expected  alternative to any campaign of ad-stripping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You won&#8217;t make ads go away &#8211; it&#8217;s a multi-billion business.  Even if you were successful at eradicating them technically (Tivo/ IE 9.0 with new &#8220;adBlock&#8221;) you&#8217;ll simply move the ads deeper into the content.<br />
I personally like the separation I see in the search results &#8211; ads on the right, results on the left. Deny the ads their place on the page and they&#8217;ll simply find increasingly more ways to move onto the left hand side of the page in the &#8220;content&#8221;. Expect more product placement in movies, billboard ads inside games, more &#8220;Splogs&#8221;.<br />
I think &#8220;Free&#8221; is too ingrained in Internet culture for the rise of a subscribe model to be the expected  alternative to any campaign of ad-stripping.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/13/think-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-1921</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I&#039;m just an idealist. But I believe that, today, the cost of advertising acts like a tax, since it simply creates an arms race among companies with competing products and services. Hence, reducing the overall advertising spend would be like a tax cut. Are prices higher in states with lower sales taxes? My gut feeling is that reducing the spend on advertising would lower prices. But I concede it&#039;s an untested hypothesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m just an idealist. But I believe that, today, the cost of advertising acts like a tax, since it simply creates an arms race among companies with competing products and services. Hence, reducing the overall advertising spend would be like a tax cut. Are prices higher in states with lower sales taxes? My gut feeling is that reducing the spend on advertising would lower prices. But I concede it&#8217;s an untested hypothesis.</p>
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		<title>By: John B. Lee</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/13/think-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-1919</link>
		<dc:creator>John B. Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Undermine the viability of the ad-supported model, and free goes away. Then users pay for content, but pay less for products and services. Win-Win.

Assuming companies don&#039;t just decide to just spend their marketing dollars in some other way. :-P Is there really a company out there that would think first of scaling back their marketing budget? Well, maybe they&#039;d actually spend it on something useful like letting potential consumers use their product for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Undermine the viability of the ad-supported model, and free goes away. Then users pay for content, but pay less for products and services. Win-Win.</p>
<p>Assuming companies don&#8217;t just decide to just spend their marketing dollars in some other way. <img src='http://thenoisychannel.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' />  Is there really a company out there that would think first of scaling back their marketing budget? Well, maybe they&#8217;d actually spend it on something useful like letting potential consumers use their product for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/13/think-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-1918</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you block Flash ads; some people use DVRs to effectively block TV ads; and I block all ads. Other people don&#039;t mind ads, and a rare few go out of their way to watch them. My objection is that we&#039;ve found ourselves in a world where forcing people to watch ads is almost the only viable revenue model. I think that&#039;s wasteful at best, evil at worst. Which may be fine on &quot;Be Evil&quot; day, but not cool for the other 363 days of the year! Yes, 363--4 weeks from now is another Friday the 13th.

Let me qualify my &quot;feature request&quot;--any ad-blocker should allow you to opt out / disable it. Mark, I hope that addresses your security concerns. Any other concerns I should bring to product management?

And, to Jeremy&#039;s point, it would be interesting to see what would happen if the question of whether to enable an ad blocker were part of the initial browser set-up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you block Flash ads; some people use DVRs to effectively block TV ads; and I block all ads. Other people don&#8217;t mind ads, and a rare few go out of their way to watch them. My objection is that we&#8217;ve found ourselves in a world where forcing people to watch ads is almost the only viable revenue model. I think that&#8217;s wasteful at best, evil at worst. Which may be fine on &#8220;Be Evil&#8221; day, but not cool for the other 363 days of the year! Yes, 363&#8211;4 weeks from now is another Friday the 13th.</p>
<p>Let me qualify my &#8220;feature request&#8221;&#8211;any ad-blocker should allow you to opt out / disable it. Mark, I hope that addresses your security concerns. Any other concerns I should bring to product management?</p>
<p>And, to Jeremy&#8217;s point, it would be interesting to see what would happen if the question of whether to enable an ad blocker were part of the initial browser set-up.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/13/think-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-1917</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;80% of Tivo users skips ads

But Google ads are by no means as invasive as having to sit through TV ads.  If the ads don&#039;t leap up in your face I&#039;m personally OK with that trade-off for free content/services.  For example, I use a Flash-blocker because Flash ads are much more annoying.

&gt;&gt;a virus / plug-in that auto-updates would have no trouble playing in an arms race 

But then websites would start randomizing page layouts for different users, making it hard to strip automatically. Like you say, an arms race. 

I know GreaseMonkey etc and yet I would feel more comfortable living with a few text-ads in a page than installing an auto-updating browser plug-in that is monkeying around with my page views in whatever way it sees fit on a given day. That seems like a potential security nightmare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;80% of Tivo users skips ads</p>
<p>But Google ads are by no means as invasive as having to sit through TV ads.  If the ads don&#8217;t leap up in your face I&#8217;m personally OK with that trade-off for free content/services.  For example, I use a Flash-blocker because Flash ads are much more annoying.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;a virus / plug-in that auto-updates would have no trouble playing in an arms race </p>
<p>But then websites would start randomizing page layouts for different users, making it hard to strip automatically. Like you say, an arms race. </p>
<p>I know GreaseMonkey etc and yet I would feel more comfortable living with a few text-ads in a page than installing an auto-updating browser plug-in that is monkeying around with my page views in whatever way it sees fit on a given day. That seems like a potential security nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/13/think-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-1914</link>
		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As for ads vs. subscription models, I understand your perspective. But I think that the reason subscription models have failed is that they have to compete with “free”, and “free” is only a viable option because of ad-supported models.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve long thought this.  You&#039;re the first person I&#039;ve heard actually say it.  Hear hear!

&lt;i&gt;I almost always agree with you, but remember the old motto, the customer is always right?  If consumers choose to tolerate ads for content rather than paying for the content directly, given both options, then the “free” version is better.&lt;/i&gt;

But do customers really tolerate ads?  Or are they simply not savvy enough to know how to install greasemonkey, to strip the ads themselves?

I&#039;ve seen Nielsen DVR studies that show that 80% of Tivo users skips ads on their pre-recorded shows.  80%.  That tells me users don&#039;t really tolerate ads.

So what about the following proposal: Internet Explorer should come built with an option that lets the users automatically strip/hide ads.  In fact, you know how Google had forced MS to put a &quot;what would you like your default search engine&quot; question in, the first time a user runs IE?  There should also be at that stage a question about &quot;Would you like IE to automatically strip advertising from your web experience?&quot; question.  

For that matter, Firefox should be required to do the same (both default engine selection as well as adblocking choice).

Let&#039;s see how many users, when consciously presented with such a choice, would really tolerate ads.  

I&#039;ll bet if you actually gave users that choice, they would, like 80% of Tivo users, not tolerate ads.

And in that case, you could go back to a much fairer marketplace, one in which users are given a choice about whether or not to pay vs. watch ads.  Right now, consumers don&#039;t have that choice; most everything is ad-based.

So let&#039;s bring freedom back into the marketplace, by letting Microsoft (and making Firefox) release this technology!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As for ads vs. subscription models, I understand your perspective. But I think that the reason subscription models have failed is that they have to compete with “free”, and “free” is only a viable option because of ad-supported models.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve long thought this.  You&#8217;re the first person I&#8217;ve heard actually say it.  Hear hear!</p>
<p><i>I almost always agree with you, but remember the old motto, the customer is always right?  If consumers choose to tolerate ads for content rather than paying for the content directly, given both options, then the “free” version is better.</i></p>
<p>But do customers really tolerate ads?  Or are they simply not savvy enough to know how to install greasemonkey, to strip the ads themselves?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen Nielsen DVR studies that show that 80% of Tivo users skips ads on their pre-recorded shows.  80%.  That tells me users don&#8217;t really tolerate ads.</p>
<p>So what about the following proposal: Internet Explorer should come built with an option that lets the users automatically strip/hide ads.  In fact, you know how Google had forced MS to put a &#8220;what would you like your default search engine&#8221; question in, the first time a user runs IE?  There should also be at that stage a question about &#8220;Would you like IE to automatically strip advertising from your web experience?&#8221; question.  </p>
<p>For that matter, Firefox should be required to do the same (both default engine selection as well as adblocking choice).</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see how many users, when consciously presented with such a choice, would really tolerate ads.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll bet if you actually gave users that choice, they would, like 80% of Tivo users, not tolerate ads.</p>
<p>And in that case, you could go back to a much fairer marketplace, one in which users are given a choice about whether or not to pay vs. watch ads.  Right now, consumers don&#8217;t have that choice; most everything is ad-based.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s bring freedom back into the marketplace, by letting Microsoft (and making Firefox) release this technology!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/13/think-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-1911</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today, customers have no choice but to indirectly pay for online advertising as part of the price of the products and services they purchase. Given that they&#039;re already paying that as a sunk cost, they choose between the paying for content and paying the attention costs for a free site and prefer the latter. But in your scenario 2--more specifically the scenario where the ad market suffers because consumers are blocking or tuning out ads--the consumers lose the choice of not paying for content, but the costs they pay for products and services go down.

I don&#039;t know if or how we can get to that scenario from here, but I&#039;m certain it is better for both content providers and content consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, customers have no choice but to indirectly pay for online advertising as part of the price of the products and services they purchase. Given that they&#8217;re already paying that as a sunk cost, they choose between the paying for content and paying the attention costs for a free site and prefer the latter. But in your scenario 2&#8211;more specifically the scenario where the ad market suffers because consumers are blocking or tuning out ads&#8211;the consumers lose the choice of not paying for content, but the costs they pay for products and services go down.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if or how we can get to that scenario from here, but I&#8217;m certain it is better for both content providers and content consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal Web Guy</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/13/think-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-1910</link>
		<dc:creator>Hal Web Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I almost always agree with you, but remember the old motto, the customer is always right?

If consumers choose to tolerate ads for content rather than paying for the content directly, given both options, then the &quot;free&quot; version is better.

That&#039;s for now.  That said, there are a couple of possible futures I foresee.

Scenario 1
The saturated web publisher market falls victim to the tough advertising market, and ads become too inexpensive to turn a profit.  Web publishers start failing until enough fail to increase the rates for advertising again.

Scenario 2
The saturated web publisher market falls victim to the tough advertising market, and ads become too inexpensive to turn a profit.  Web publishers start failing until enough fail to cause the survivors to move to a paid model.  Users pay, because the alternatives are primarily gone or saturated with advertising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost always agree with you, but remember the old motto, the customer is always right?</p>
<p>If consumers choose to tolerate ads for content rather than paying for the content directly, given both options, then the &#8220;free&#8221; version is better.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s for now.  That said, there are a couple of possible futures I foresee.</p>
<p>Scenario 1<br />
The saturated web publisher market falls victim to the tough advertising market, and ads become too inexpensive to turn a profit.  Web publishers start failing until enough fail to increase the rates for advertising again.</p>
<p>Scenario 2<br />
The saturated web publisher market falls victim to the tough advertising market, and ads become too inexpensive to turn a profit.  Web publishers start failing until enough fail to cause the survivors to move to a paid model.  Users pay, because the alternatives are primarily gone or saturated with advertising.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/13/think-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-1909</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that a virus / plug-in that auto-updates would have no trouble playing in an arms rave with the ad delivery engine. It seems to me that it&#039;s a lot easier to circumvent ads than to circumvent ad blockers. Of course, the stakes are much higher for the ad delivery engines. That&#039;s what would make the fight interesting.

As for ads vs. subscription models, I understand your perspective. But I think that the reason subscription models have failed is that they have to compete with &quot;free&quot;, and &quot;free&quot; is only a viable option because of ad-supported models.

And, of course, free isn&#039;t really free, even beyond the intangible attention costs. Presumably the advertisers are rational, which means they&#039;re advertising to their collective customer base. That, in turn, means that they price their ad budget into the products and services they sell to those customers.

Undermine the viability of the ad-supported model, and free goes away. Then users pay for content, but pay less for products and services. Win-Win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that a virus / plug-in that auto-updates would have no trouble playing in an arms rave with the ad delivery engine. It seems to me that it&#8217;s a lot easier to circumvent ads than to circumvent ad blockers. Of course, the stakes are much higher for the ad delivery engines. That&#8217;s what would make the fight interesting.</p>
<p>As for ads vs. subscription models, I understand your perspective. But I think that the reason subscription models have failed is that they have to compete with &#8220;free&#8221;, and &#8220;free&#8221; is only a viable option because of ad-supported models.</p>
<p>And, of course, free isn&#8217;t really free, even beyond the intangible attention costs. Presumably the advertisers are rational, which means they&#8217;re advertising to their collective customer base. That, in turn, means that they price their ad budget into the products and services they sell to those customers.</p>
<p>Undermine the viability of the ad-supported model, and free goes away. Then users pay for content, but pay less for products and services. Win-Win.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal Web Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal Web Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no question this would raise anti-trust concerns.  But, let&#039;s say it didn&#039;t...

The next steps would be:

1. Ad delivery engines &quot;tinyurl&quot; their click-through addresses so that they would be obfuscated.

2. After that method is cracked in record time, ad delivery engines will have to encrypt the click-through urls onto the query string.

3. After that method is cracked, a more sophisticated solution from the ad delivery engines would be to encrypt the urls dynamically for each display of the ad.

4. ....
5. ....

I already feel like I&#039;m watching AOL, Yahoo and MSN block Trillian all over again.  I don&#039;t think that went very well :)

I would argue that the ads should be there, to keep the companies afloat that are bringing content.  Users want that content, and are willing to tolerate ads to get it.  Most content subscription models have failed.  I think that blocking ads on a massive scale would help...nobody.  The sites have to shut down because they can&#039;t afford to stay in business.  Users lose the content they enjoyed having for free.  Lose-Lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no question this would raise anti-trust concerns.  But, let&#8217;s say it didn&#8217;t&#8230;</p>
<p>The next steps would be:</p>
<p>1. Ad delivery engines &#8220;tinyurl&#8221; their click-through addresses so that they would be obfuscated.</p>
<p>2. After that method is cracked in record time, ad delivery engines will have to encrypt the click-through urls onto the query string.</p>
<p>3. After that method is cracked, a more sophisticated solution from the ad delivery engines would be to encrypt the urls dynamically for each display of the ad.</p>
<p>4. &#8230;.<br />
5. &#8230;.</p>
<p>I already feel like I&#8217;m watching AOL, Yahoo and MSN block Trillian all over again.  I don&#8217;t think that went very well <img src='http://thenoisychannel.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I would argue that the ads should be there, to keep the companies afloat that are bringing content.  Users want that content, and are willing to tolerate ads to get it.  Most content subscription models have failed.  I think that blocking ads on a massive scale would help&#8230;nobody.  The sites have to shut down because they can&#8217;t afford to stay in business.  Users lose the content they enjoyed having for free.  Lose-Lose.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/13/think-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-1907</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, users could be warned in a pop-up dialog box that using the feature may be in violation be warned, the first time the ad-blocking feature came up, that blocking ads may be in violation of a site&#039;s terms of service, and that they are responsible for their own actions.

Of course, there would be a check box to never display that warning again. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, users could be warned in a pop-up dialog box that using the feature may be in violation be warned, the first time the ad-blocking feature came up, that blocking ads may be in violation of a site&#8217;s terms of service, and that they are responsible for their own actions.</p>
<p>Of course, there would be a check box to never display that warning again. <img src='http://thenoisychannel.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/02/13/think-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-1906</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My initial thought was that a move like this would justify new legislation about any such attempt by a browser supplier (especially Microsoft) to  deliberately tamper/misrepresent a particular website&#039;s content -it&#039;s  kind of like tampering with the mail. 
However, in some respects pop-up blockers already represent a form of this manipulation. Could be tricky to draw a line here.

Of course for *users* who knowingly choose to strip ads there is always GreaseMonkey: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/2707</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My initial thought was that a move like this would justify new legislation about any such attempt by a browser supplier (especially Microsoft) to  deliberately tamper/misrepresent a particular website&#8217;s content -it&#8217;s  kind of like tampering with the mail.<br />
However, in some respects pop-up blockers already represent a form of this manipulation. Could be tricky to draw a line here.</p>
<p>Of course for *users* who knowingly choose to strip ads there is always GreaseMonkey: <a href="http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/2707" rel="nofollow">http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/2707</a></p>
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