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		<title>By: Google Offers &#8220;More And Better Search Refinements&#8221; &#124; The Noisy Channel</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/01/08/google-tech-talk-reconsidering-relevance/comment-page-1/#comment-2543</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Offers &#8220;More And Better Search Refinements&#8221; &#124; The Noisy Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like to get excited about Google embracing HCIR, especially after they were so kind as to let me lecture them about it. And perhaps I&#8217;m being too harsh a critic. Their post concludes: Even if you [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] like to get excited about Google embracing HCIR, especially after they were so kind as to let me lecture them about it. And perhaps I&#8217;m being too harsh a critic. Their post concludes: Even if you [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What the Structure of Content Means for Context &#171; Network(ed)News</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/01/08/google-tech-talk-reconsidering-relevance/comment-page-1/#comment-2435</link>
		<dc:creator>What the Structure of Content Means for Context &#171; Network(ed)News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] then came the interwebs and google and adversarial search, which foisted on journalists the great tyrrany of pageviews. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] then came the interwebs and google and adversarial search, which foisted on journalists the great tyrrany of pageviews. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Remembering What Works &#171; Infovark</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/01/08/google-tech-talk-reconsidering-relevance/comment-page-1/#comment-1729</link>
		<dc:creator>Remembering What Works &#171; Infovark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 02:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] discoverability problem from an information-only perspective i.e. the way Google fixes the problem doesn&#8217;t appear to be ideal within the enterprise. People can misinterpret information and corrupt its original intent. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] discoverability problem from an information-only perspective i.e. the way Google fixes the problem doesn&#8217;t appear to be ideal within the enterprise. People can misinterpret information and corrupt its original intent. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/01/08/google-tech-talk-reconsidering-relevance/comment-page-1/#comment-1701</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LZNqV4qZR0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now on YouTube! <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LZNqV4qZR0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LZNqV4qZR0</a></p>
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		<title>By: Obstreperous Minnesota &#171; Network(ed)News</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/01/08/google-tech-talk-reconsidering-relevance/comment-page-1/#comment-1589</link>
		<dc:creator>Obstreperous Minnesota &#171; Network(ed)News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] services to serve us really well when we don&#8217;t know we care about something (see especially Dan Tunkelang on HCIR (@dtunkelang)). That something might be fuzzy or specific, obscure or popular, subject to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] services to serve us really well when we don&#8217;t know we care about something (see especially Dan Tunkelang on HCIR (@dtunkelang)). That something might be fuzzy or specific, obscure or popular, subject to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Information Triumverate &#124; The Noisy Channel</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/01/08/google-tech-talk-reconsidering-relevance/comment-page-1/#comment-1571</link>
		<dc:creator>The Information Triumverate &#124; The Noisy Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that the web has to offer. In fact, that was a major subtext of my recent presentation on reconsidering relevance. I&#8217;m not sure that the dominance of the web is itself a problem, but that&#8217;s because I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that the web has to offer. In fact, that was a major subtext of my recent presentation on reconsidering relevance. I&#8217;m not sure that the dominance of the web is itself a problem, but that&#8217;s because I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A Warm Reception for &#8220;Reconsidering Relevance&#8221; &#124; The Noisy Channel</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/01/08/google-tech-talk-reconsidering-relevance/comment-page-1/#comment-1532</link>
		<dc:creator>A Warm Reception for &#8220;Reconsidering Relevance&#8221; &#124; The Noisy Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 05:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] am proud to report that the &#8220;Reconsidering Relevance&#8221; presentation has been enjoying  a warm [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Talking with Daniel Tunkelang about Endeca and Search &#124; Paul Miller</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/01/08/google-tech-talk-reconsidering-relevance/comment-page-1/#comment-1529</link>
		<dc:creator>Talking with Daniel Tunkelang about Endeca and Search &#124; Paul Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to give one of Google&#8217;s Tech Talks at their New York offices, and with a title of &#8216;Reconsidering Relevance&#8216; he (nervously!) set about challenging some of the search behemoth&#8217;s approaches. We [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to give one of Google&#8217;s Tech Talks at their New York offices, and with a title of &#8216;Reconsidering Relevance&#8216; he (nervously!) set about challenging some of the search behemoth&#8217;s approaches. We [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/01/08/google-tech-talk-reconsidering-relevance/comment-page-1/#comment-1396</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve played a little with Live Image search,  but it didn&#039;t support exploration for many any more than Google. And images are a domain where I often want support for exploration.

As for Google&#039;s insistence that simplicity trumps power in the interface, no one in the audience brought it up, but I&#039;ve heard it from Googlers before and I alluded to it myself in the talk. And I tried to answer it as follows: make the complexity of the interaction a function of your confidence in system&#039;s understanding of the user&#039;s information need. It&#039;s what we do as human beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve played a little with Live Image search,  but it didn&#8217;t support exploration for many any more than Google. And images are a domain where I often want support for exploration.</p>
<p>As for Google&#8217;s insistence that simplicity trumps power in the interface, no one in the audience brought it up, but I&#8217;ve heard it from Googlers before and I alluded to it myself in the talk. And I tried to answer it as follows: make the complexity of the interaction a function of your confidence in system&#8217;s understanding of the user&#8217;s information need. It&#8217;s what we do as human beings.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Max.. it&#039;s interesting to see the interactivity baby steps that they&#039;ve been taking lately.

But they&#039;re still only baby steps.  And there is so much more that both could and should be done.  

So I know Google famously states how clean and simple they like to keep their interface -- almost to the point of obsession.  What it appears from the outside is that Google thinks that clean interfaces are more important than interactive interfaces.  This is judging purely from their public statements and, well, the interface itself.

What I was curious about gleaning from Daniel is whether, once he actually got there and talked with people, he also found that to be true.  Were there any people in the audience, for example, who raised their hands and said anything to the effect of, &quot;yes, it would be nice to consider other aspects of relevance, to consider faceted retrieval, to consider exploratory retrieval, to consider broader HCI-IR communication paradigms.  But in order to implement anything that goes beyond a 2-word text input line, that would involve &quot;cluttering&quot; our interface.  So we won&#039;t do it.  

I&#039;m curious about whether this issue was ever raised. 

And even if it wasn&#039;t, I&#039;m curious from Daniel about what his reaction would have been, anyway.  What would you have said, Daniel, if someone had said that a clean interface is more important than an interactive interface?  And no fair saying that you&#039;d design a &quot;clean, interactive&quot; interface.  You&#039;ve watched Google over the past decade+.  There really is not much that they will let be added, at all.  So how do you overcome that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Max.. it&#8217;s interesting to see the interactivity baby steps that they&#8217;ve been taking lately.</p>
<p>But they&#8217;re still only baby steps.  And there is so much more that both could and should be done.  </p>
<p>So I know Google famously states how clean and simple they like to keep their interface &#8212; almost to the point of obsession.  What it appears from the outside is that Google thinks that clean interfaces are more important than interactive interfaces.  This is judging purely from their public statements and, well, the interface itself.</p>
<p>What I was curious about gleaning from Daniel is whether, once he actually got there and talked with people, he also found that to be true.  Were there any people in the audience, for example, who raised their hands and said anything to the effect of, &#8220;yes, it would be nice to consider other aspects of relevance, to consider faceted retrieval, to consider exploratory retrieval, to consider broader HCI-IR communication paradigms.  But in order to implement anything that goes beyond a 2-word text input line, that would involve &#8220;cluttering&#8221; our interface.  So we won&#8217;t do it.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious about whether this issue was ever raised. </p>
<p>And even if it wasn&#8217;t, I&#8217;m curious from Daniel about what his reaction would have been, anyway.  What would you have said, Daniel, if someone had said that a clean interface is more important than an interactive interface?  And no fair saying that you&#8217;d design a &#8220;clean, interactive&#8221; interface.  You&#8217;ve watched Google over the past decade+.  There really is not much that they will let be added, at all.  So how do you overcome that?</p>
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		<title>By: Making Whuffie &#124; The Noisy Channel</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/01/08/google-tech-talk-reconsidering-relevance/comment-page-1/#comment-1389</link>
		<dc:creator>Making Whuffie &#124; The Noisy Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] RSS    &#160;     &#8592; Google Tech Talk: Reconsidering Relevance [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Max L. Wilson</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/01/08/google-tech-talk-reconsidering-relevance/comment-page-1/#comment-1388</link>
		<dc:creator>Max L. Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im looking forward to seeing the video. i imagine its gonna be a lot more enjoyable than skipping through the slides alone, having spoken to you many times in person! Its been interesting to see the little bits they&#039;ve been doing to make it more interactive, like in the image type that you blogged about recently. 

Live Image search is really interesting, aside from having the type of image thing like Google just put in, they have a scratch pad to keep pictures they are interested in. you played with it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im looking forward to seeing the video. i imagine its gonna be a lot more enjoyable than skipping through the slides alone, having spoken to you many times in person! Its been interesting to see the little bits they&#8217;ve been doing to make it more interactive, like in the image type that you blogged about recently. </p>
<p>Live Image search is really interesting, aside from having the type of image thing like Google just put in, they have a scratch pad to keep pictures they are interested in. you played with it?</p>
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		<title>By: Google and Search Relevance &#171; NP-Harder</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/01/08/google-tech-talk-reconsidering-relevance/comment-page-1/#comment-1386</link>
		<dc:creator>Google and Search Relevance &#171; NP-Harder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Daniel Tunkelang gave a nice talk at Google yesterday on search relevance.  He posted the slides online.  I wasn&#8217;t at the talk, but know Daniel from some previous run-ins. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Daniel Tunkelang gave a nice talk at Google yesterday on search relevance.  He posted the slides online.  I wasn&#8217;t at the talk, but know Daniel from some previous run-ins. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/01/08/google-tech-talk-reconsidering-relevance/comment-page-1/#comment-1382</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Questions covered computation (I explained that summary analysis required different data access patterns than filtering and sorting) ; how to recognize the need for disambiguation (I talked about our innovative use of relative entropy in a set retrieval context); and how image search fits in to the HCIR framework (I pointed to Modista as an example of exploratory image search).

The audience certainly wasn&#039;t dismissive, and I think they were quite interested. They seemed to understand me, but I didn&#039;t quiz them afterward. Not even on the partially-ordered set question. :-)

Also, I found out that their VP of Research was in the audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Questions covered computation (I explained that summary analysis required different data access patterns than filtering and sorting) ; how to recognize the need for disambiguation (I talked about our innovative use of relative entropy in a set retrieval context); and how image search fits in to the HCIR framework (I pointed to Modista as an example of exploratory image search).</p>
<p>The audience certainly wasn&#8217;t dismissive, and I think they were quite interested. They seemed to understand me, but I didn&#8217;t quiz them afterward. Not even on the partially-ordered set question. <img src='http://thenoisychannel.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also, I found out that their VP of Research was in the audience.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are some of the comments that you got?  Yes, they were gracious, but were the Googlers generally interested, dismissive, or uncomprehending of your points?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are some of the comments that you got?  Yes, they were gracious, but were the Googlers generally interested, dismissive, or uncomprehending of your points?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2009/01/08/google-tech-talk-reconsidering-relevance/comment-page-1/#comment-1379</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are my notes, and I&#039;m glad those are visible. I thought you&#039;d have to download the presentation to see them. Thanks!

Unfortunately, there seem to be some quirks in the embedded presentation. I&#039;ve fixed the quirks on SlideShare, but they don&#039;t seem to be working in the embedded presentation. So I&#039;ve removed the embed and urge you all to view the presentation on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slideshare.net/dtunkelang/google-tech-talk-reconsidering-relevance-presentation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SlideShare&lt;/a&gt;. My apologies for the inconvenience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are my notes, and I&#8217;m glad those are visible. I thought you&#8217;d have to download the presentation to see them. Thanks!</p>
<p>Unfortunately, there seem to be some quirks in the embedded presentation. I&#8217;ve fixed the quirks on SlideShare, but they don&#8217;t seem to be working in the embedded presentation. So I&#8217;ve removed the embed and urge you all to view the presentation on <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/dtunkelang/google-tech-talk-reconsidering-relevance-presentation" rel="nofollow">SlideShare</a>. My apologies for the inconvenience.</p>
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		<title>By: Christina Pikas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina Pikas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the notes are there under the &quot;notes&quot; tab, if you view on slideshare  (aren&#039;t those your notes?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the notes are there under the &#8220;notes&#8221; tab, if you view on slideshare  (aren&#8217;t those your notes?)</p>
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