Comments on: Loic Le Meur Misses the Point of Twitter http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/12/27/loic-le-meur-misses-the-point-of-twitter/ Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:45:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Twitter Lists as an Influence Measure? | The Noisy Channel http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/12/27/loic-le-meur-misses-the-point-of-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-4766 Twitter Lists as an Influence Measure? | The Noisy Channel Sun, 01 Nov 2009 05:41:07 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=1085#comment-4766 [...] I’ve been chatting with Chris Langreiter, who is working on enhancements to TunkRank to address some of the oversimplifications of its model, as well as with Jonathan Glick and Ken Reisman at TLists. I’d like to see online influence–on Twitter and in general–measured more effectively. It will be great if lists can help, but we can’t make the same naive mistakes as those who were quick to embrace follower count as a measure of authority. [...] [...] I’ve been chatting with Chris Langreiter, who is working on enhancements to TunkRank to address some of the oversimplifications of its model, as well as with Jonathan Glick and Ken Reisman at TLists. I’d like to see online influence–on Twitter and in general–measured more effectively. It will be great if lists can help, but we can’t make the same naive mistakes as those who were quick to embrace follower count as a measure of authority. [...]

]]> By: A Twitter Analog to PageRank | The Noisy Channel http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/12/27/loic-le-meur-misses-the-point-of-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1418 A Twitter Analog to PageRank | The Noisy Channel Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:28:43 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=1085#comment-1418 [...] few weeks ago, there was a flame war about Twitter authority, and I was all too eager to throw fuel on the pyre. But now that the blogosphere has calmed down a bit, I’d like to propose a ranking measure [...] [...] few weeks ago, there was a flame war about Twitter authority, and I was all too eager to throw fuel on the pyre. But now that the blogosphere has calmed down a bit, I’d like to propose a ranking measure [...]

]]> By: Daniel Tunkelang idealizes Twitter | Text Technologies http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/12/27/loic-le-meur-misses-the-point-of-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1324 Daniel Tunkelang idealizes Twitter | Text Technologies Sat, 03 Jan 2009 03:34:01 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=1085#comment-1324 [...] amounts to, at least in his eyes, the abuse of Twitter. (My word, not his.)   For example, he writes in criticism of Loic LeMeur: Twitter is a communication platform, not a marketing platform, and [...] [...] amounts to, at least in his eyes, the abuse of Twitter. (My word, not his.)   For example, he writes in criticism of Loic LeMeur: Twitter is a communication platform, not a marketing platform, and [...]

]]> By: Daniel Tunkelang http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/12/27/loic-le-meur-misses-the-point-of-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1287 Daniel Tunkelang Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:55:53 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=1085#comment-1287 Jessica, it might be they felt you were more likely to be paying attention--though that would seem to depend more on how many people you followed, rather than how many people followed you. As I was initially getting my head around Twitter, I followed far too many people. I've since cut back to a number I can actually follow. As for the people who follow me, I can only hope they find value in doing so. DigitalMofo, we're a species of people who like to hear ourselves speak, some more than others. But yes, it can be quite ironic at times. Jessica, it might be they felt you were more likely to be paying attention–though that would seem to depend more on how many people you followed, rather than how many people followed you. As I was initially getting my head around Twitter, I followed far too many people. I’ve since cut back to a number I can actually follow. As for the people who follow me, I can only hope they find value in doing so.

DigitalMofo, we’re a species of people who like to hear ourselves speak, some more than others. But yes, it can be quite ironic at times.

]]> By: DigitalMofo http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/12/27/loic-le-meur-misses-the-point-of-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1284 DigitalMofo Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:04:33 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=1085#comment-1284 You're exactly reflecting what i came to discover after a week twittering. I'm still missing the social part. So far i see people advertising for theyr blogs and yelling... even some of the "gurus" that preach you should listen, never actually answer but rather spitting one url after the other. You’re exactly reflecting what i came to discover after a week twittering. I’m still missing the social part. So far i see people advertising for theyr blogs and yelling… even some of the “gurus” that preach you should listen, never actually answer but rather spitting one url after the other.

]]> By: Jessica Gottlieb http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/12/27/loic-le-meur-misses-the-point-of-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1283 Jessica Gottlieb Sun, 28 Dec 2008 04:21:14 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=1085#comment-1283 I got more responses when I had less followers, perhaps I had a better relationship with them? I got more responses when I had less followers, perhaps I had a better relationship with them?

]]> By: Daniel Tunkelang http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/12/27/loic-le-meur-misses-the-point-of-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1282 Daniel Tunkelang Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:26:36 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=1085#comment-1282 I believe Le Meur intended for this filtering capability to exist in the client, or I'll at least give him the benefit of the doubt. But there's still a question of who wants this. If the only people crying out for this feature are Le Meur and Michael Arrington (who expresses his agreement with Le Meur at http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/26/should-twitter-add-authority-based-search/), then they deserve the overwhelmingly negative response that they're getting in the blogosphere and on Twitter. I did like what Sprint social media manager Justin Goldsborough had to say on Le Meur's blog: http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2008/12/twitter-we-need-search-by-authority.html#comment-4669901 I believe Le Meur intended for this filtering capability to exist in the client, or I’ll at least give him the benefit of the doubt. But there’s still a question of who wants this. If the only people crying out for this feature are Le Meur and Michael Arrington (who expresses his agreement with Le Meur at http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/26/should-twitter-add-authority-based-search/), then they deserve the overwhelmingly negative response that they’re getting in the blogosphere and on Twitter.

I did like what Sprint social media manager Justin Goldsborough had to say on Le Meur’s blog:

http://www.loiclemeur.com/english/2008/12/twitter-we-need-search-by-authority.html#comment-4669901

]]> By: Roy Scribner http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/12/27/loic-le-meur-misses-the-point-of-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1281 Roy Scribner Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:07:50 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=1085#comment-1281 <i>...filtering should be driven by the needs and desires of listeners...</i> Exactly - the client application is where the functionality belongs, giving control of the filtering to the user. …filtering should be driven by the needs and desires of listeners…

Exactly – the client application is where the functionality belongs, giving control of the filtering to the user.

]]> By: Daniel Tunkelang http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/12/27/loic-le-meur-misses-the-point-of-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1278 Daniel Tunkelang Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:29:44 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=1085#comment-1278 Loic, point taken. But I don't believe I've mischaracterized your overall argument. And I hold that filtering should be driven by the needs and desires of listeners, not by those who stand to gain more attention market share by filtering out competing claims on that attention. Loic, point taken. But I don’t believe I’ve mischaracterized your overall argument. And I hold that filtering should be driven by the needs and desires of listeners, not by those who stand to gain more attention market share by filtering out competing claims on that attention.

]]> By: Loic http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/12/27/loic-le-meur-misses-the-point-of-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1277 Loic Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:16:38 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=1085#comment-1277 Daniel you quoted me out of context, see what I wrote just after "Ben has almost 2000 followers, I think Sprint should actually pay attention too." Daniel you quoted me out of context, see what I wrote just after “Ben has almost 2000 followers, I think Sprint should actually pay attention too.”

]]> By: Daniel Tunkelang http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/12/27/loic-le-meur-misses-the-point-of-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1276 Daniel Tunkelang Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:37:39 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=1085#comment-1276 Of course. I'm not saying it shouldn't be built. Rather, I'm trying to make two points: 1) No one's built what Le Meur is asking for because there isn't sufficient demand. I think it would be cool to see a richer set of filtering capabilities in Twitter clients, including ones based on someone's follower base. I don't find number of followers isn't a particularly useful filter, but perhaps others would. 2) It's ironic that Le Meur is pushing for it because he wants *his* tweets prioritized. From his post: "I have nearly 10x the number of followers of Ben so I had to be answered immediately". That is, to put it politely, a self-serving attitude. Of course. I’m not saying it shouldn’t be built. Rather, I’m trying to make two points:

1) No one’s built what Le Meur is asking for because there isn’t sufficient demand. I think it would be cool to see a richer set of filtering capabilities in Twitter clients, including ones based on someone’s follower base. I don’t find number of followers isn’t a particularly useful filter, but perhaps others would.

2) It’s ironic that Le Meur is pushing for it because he wants *his* tweets prioritized. From his post: “I have nearly 10x the number of followers of Ben so I had to be answered immediately”. That is, to put it politely, a self-serving attitude.

]]> By: Pooxi http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/12/27/loic-le-meur-misses-the-point-of-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1275 Pooxi Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:29:42 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=1085#comment-1275 interesting point of view. althought the "authority filter" can be just optional interesting point of view.

althought the “authority filter” can be just optional

]]> By: Daniel Tunkelang http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/12/27/loic-le-meur-misses-the-point-of-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1274 Daniel Tunkelang Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:47:25 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=1085#comment-1274 “Elitism - It's lonely at the top. But it's comforting to look down upon everyone at the bottom.” -- Larry Kersten “Elitism – It’s lonely at the top. But it’s comforting to look down upon everyone at the bottom.”

– Larry Kersten

]]> By: Roy Scribner http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/12/27/loic-le-meur-misses-the-point-of-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-1273 Roy Scribner Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:39:16 +0000 http://thenoisychannel.com/?p=1085#comment-1273 Forgive my melodramatic mood this morning, but I find monsieur Le Meur's argument rather amusing :) <i>The revolution in Russia was terrible for the proletariat in the long years of its development and it is terrible now, after the victory. But at the actual time of revolution it was easy, and this was due to the peasants.</i> -- <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Gorter" rel="nofollow">Herman Gorter</a Forgive my melodramatic mood this morning, but I find monsieur Le Meur’s argument rather amusing :)
The revolution in Russia was terrible for the proletariat in the long years of its development and it is terrible now, after the victory. But at the actual time of revolution it was easy, and this was due to the peasants.
– Herman Gorter</a

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