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		<title>By: Search-Related Conferences: Where&#8217;s The Beef? &#124; The Noisy Channel</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/07/02/a-call-to-action/comment-page-1/#comment-1627</link>
		<dc:creator>Search-Related Conferences: Where&#8217;s The Beef? &#124; The Noisy Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 04:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this as an explicit endorsement, I find his arguments very consonant with the case I made in my call to action several months ago. Moreover, Arnold doesn&#8217;t mince words when it comes to criticizing trade [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this as an explicit endorsement, I find his arguments very consonant with the case I made in my call to action several months ago. Moreover, Arnold doesn&#8217;t mince words when it comes to criticizing trade [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Call to Action - A Follow-Up</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/07/02/a-call-to-action/comment-page-1/#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator>Call to Action - A Follow-Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] call to action I sent out a couple of weeks ago has generated healthy [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/07/02/a-call-to-action/comment-page-1/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to let folks here know that I did get responses from a few folks in the analyst community, as well as one of my peers at a major enterprise search company. I recognize and respect that not everyone feels comfortable participating in a public conversation.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So let me summarize the points of contention in the discussion thus far:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;- Are academic conferences are the right forums, as opposed to vendor user conferences or some other forum?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;- Do CTOs and CIOs, who focus on applications rather than theory, have common ground with the academic research community?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve expressed my strong feelings in favor of some kind of vendor-neutral forum and explained my partiality to academia.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In answer to the second concern, I think that many academics do care a lot about applications, both out of a desire to have real-world impact and to justify funding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to let folks here know that I did get responses from a few folks in the analyst community, as well as one of my peers at a major enterprise search company. I recognize and respect that not everyone feels comfortable participating in a public conversation.</p>
<p>So let me summarize the points of contention in the discussion thus far:</p>
<p>- Are academic conferences are the right forums, as opposed to vendor user conferences or some other forum?</p>
<p>- Do CTOs and CIOs, who focus on applications rather than theory, have common ground with the academic research community?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve expressed my strong feelings in favor of some kind of vendor-neutral forum and explained my partiality to academia.</p>
<p>In answer to the second concern, I think that many academics do care a lot about applications, both out of a desire to have real-world impact and to justify funding.</p>
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		<title>By: Max L. Wilson</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/07/02/a-call-to-action/comment-page-1/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Max L. Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 07:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice call daniel. i hope that one of the focal points of dicussion will be on how best to draw a line between what can be published (that provides a contribution to the community) and what needs to be kept to maintain business edge. Microsoft and Yahoo have done particularly well at defining this line, contributing many things to the academic world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice call daniel. i hope that one of the focal points of dicussion will be on how best to draw a line between what can be published (that provides a contribution to the community) and what needs to be kept to maintain business edge. Microsoft and Yahoo have done particularly well at defining this line, contributing many things to the academic world.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Tunkelang</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/07/02/a-call-to-action/comment-page-1/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Tunkelang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iadh, thank you for chiming in. Of course, your own efforts at RIAO &#039;07 and ECIR &#039;08 are great examples of academia reaching out to industry.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I also heard back from &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.takingaiim.com/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Carl Frappaolo&lt;/a&gt; at &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.aiim.org/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AIIM&lt;/a&gt;, who suggested that AIIM might be able to serve as a vendor-neutral forum. I&#039;m certainly open to that possibility as well.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As someone who works in industry but has strong ties to academia, I see lots of room to both to bridge the gap between research and practice and to improve the state of understanding in the marketplace.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One of the reasons I proposed academic conferences as venues is that industry events at academic conferences are growing while commercially organized vendor-neutral conferences seem to be on the decline. Another is that I feel the research and practice communities have much to learn from one another.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That said, I do see a role for industry-oriented forums that don&#039;t necessarily appeal much to the academic research community. But we do need trusted referees to keep everyone honest and push for a substantive conversation about technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iadh, thank you for chiming in. Of course, your own efforts at RIAO &#8217;07 and ECIR &#8217;08 are great examples of academia reaching out to industry.</p>
<p>I also heard back from <a HREF="http://www.takingaiim.com/" REL="nofollow">Carl Frappaolo</a> at <a HREF="http://www.aiim.org/" REL="nofollow">AIIM</a>, who suggested that AIIM might be able to serve as a vendor-neutral forum. I&#8217;m certainly open to that possibility as well.</p>
<p>As someone who works in industry but has strong ties to academia, I see lots of room to both to bridge the gap between research and practice and to improve the state of understanding in the marketplace.</p>
<p>One of the reasons I proposed academic conferences as venues is that industry events at academic conferences are growing while commercially organized vendor-neutral conferences seem to be on the decline. Another is that I feel the research and practice communities have much to learn from one another.</p>
<p>That said, I do see a role for industry-oriented forums that don&#8217;t necessarily appeal much to the academic research community. But we do need trusted referees to keep everyone honest and push for a substantive conversation about technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Iadh</title>
		<link>http://thenoisychannel.com/2008/07/02/a-call-to-action/comment-page-1/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Iadh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is a very good initiative. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I do hope to see more practitioners from Enterprise search companies engaging with the IR specialists in academia, and actively participating in relevant workshops and industry day events at the likes of sigir, cikm and ecir.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Iadh</description>
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<p>This is a very good initiative. </p>
<p>I do hope to see more practitioners from Enterprise search companies engaging with the IR specialists in academia, and actively participating in relevant workshops and industry day events at the likes of sigir, cikm and ecir.</p>
<p>Iadh</p>
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